Allah states:
“Those whom believe pay attention: Revere Allah & speak a Straight-Word.”
(Noble-Qur’ān: Chpt.33, V.70)
Muhammad (Peace be upon them) stated:
“Always speak Truth, even if it’s bitter (even if it rubs People the Wrong-Way).”
(ibn-Hibbān&al-Bayhaqī)
al-Muqaddimah/Prelude
https://gbwrites.com/2024/07/28/athariliesasharithreatssalafreaks/
The Siblings of the Pen: Gareth Bryant & Tālib Nathaniel (Atharī Corleone & Ash`arī Tommasino) had an Online-Debate, concerning the Religio-Theological Statuses of Specific-A’immah/Leaders amongst as-Salaf (as-Sahābah/the Companions as well as Generations-1&2 of at-Tābi`īn/the Followers). Tālib Nathaniel, being an Ash`arī: they of course had initially posted Specific `Ulamā’/Religio-Academics whom were Theological-Ash`arīs. Gareth Bryant in turn, being Pro-Atharism (yet being Non-Atharī): they of course mentioned `Ulamā’ whom preceded those whom Tālib Nathaniel had mentioned whom were Theological-Atharīs. Gareth & Tālib then quite literally debated over one particular `Ālim/Religio-Academic: an-Nu`mān ibn-Thābit/Abū-Hanīfah. Tālib’s Argument was that the Usūl/Principles of al-Ash`ariyyah/Ash`arism & al-Māturīdiyyah/Māturīdism predate the Progenitor of al-Ash`ariyyyah: `Alī ibn-Ismā`īl ibn-Ishāq/Abul-Hasan al-Ash`arī & the Progenitor/Founder of al-Māturīdiyyah: Muhammad ibn-Muhammad ibn-Mahmūd/Abū-Mansūr al-Māturīdī. Gareth Bryant’s Argument is that all of the A’immah/Imāms (Leaders) of the Sunnah/Prophetic-Tradition were all Default-Atharīs, prior to the Births of Abil-Hasan al-Ash`arī & Abī-Mansūr al-Māturīdī. Needless to say, this caused a Firestorm via the `Aqīdah-Mafias: Team-Atharī, Team-Ash`arī, Team-Salafī.
The `Aqīdah-War Shit-Show
At the Same-Time that Gareth Bryant & Tālib Nathaniel had our Historical-Atharism vs. Historical-Ash`arism Debates: there was Another-Debate which sprung from the General Theological-Debates which Gareth Bryant & Tālib Nathaniel have had for awhile. As Gareth & Tālib were engaging in our usual Respectful Religio-Academic Rivalry, the two of us as well chimed-in on the Other-Debate which had occured while the two of us were also debating, which was between Abī-Muhammad al-Mālikī & Yūsuf Rios: 2-Persons whom we both know. Their Debate was over the Issue of Atharism vs. Ash`arism having Significant-Influence within the Madhab/Legal-School known as al-Mālikiyyah/Mālikism. The Other-Debate wasn’t respectful at all, unlike the Debates which Gareth & Tālib have engaged in. The Temperature of the Other-Debate was Red-Hot & it was most definitely predicated upon Personal-Undertones via Behind the Scenes: it was deeper than `Aqīdah-Debating.
`Aqīdah-Debating truly tests where a Muslim’s-Heart is at: Sectarian-Cowardice&Betrayal
As Gareth & Tālib engaged intensely, as per our “Abū-Hanīfah” Discussions, it evolved into Multiple-Camps weighing-in on what’s to result from this. Much like the Release of my “Tafwīdh vs. Ta’wīl” Article (AKA “The Haqqover”): if/whenever Gareth Bryant & Tālib Nathaniel are debating, All-Eyes are on us. I began to actually notice though, that as the Post which Tālib put-up & them and I were debating each other on: I ended-up being the Only Non-Ash`arī continuously responding to all the Post-Points which Tālib made. Tālib had disclosed to me, that there were Atharīs & Salafīs whom Bitched-Out & abandoned the Post-Thread which I kept responding on. Tālib would later inform me, that those Same-Atharīs&Salafīs approached/reached-out to Tālib literally begging Tālib to “convince” me to cease arguing/debating with Tālib, about the “Abū-Hanīfah” Discussion.
Fun-Facts about the Yūsuf Rios vs. Abū-Muhammad al-Mālikī Debate-Saga
a. Abū-Muhammad had never brought that Type/Kind of Smoke to me, as they brought to Yūsuf Rios. The Fact that Abū-Muhammad al-Mālikī blocked me proves this as 💯%-Fact.
b. In spite of the Ugly-History between Gareth Bryant and Abī-Muhammad al-Mālikī: Abū-Muhammad still respects my Atharī-Flex (eventhough they really don’t want to admit it).
c. Team-Ash`arī literally knows they can’t dispute any of my Pro-Atharism Writings. Not even Tālib Nathaniel was able to do so, and Tālib is the Top-Ash`arī via Niggadelphia.
d. All of my Stances possess Atharī-Merit, which neither Team-Atharī nor Team-Ash`arī have ever been able to debunk.
Now, of course, since Gareth Bryant don’t listen to nobody-Gareth Bryant did what Gareth Bryant does…Gareth Bryant stood their Ground
Several-Things about Gareth Bryant:
a. They’re not a Coward, and can’t be “pressured” to “stand-down”.
b. They’re willing to fight against anyone, even if they’re afraid.
c. They’re willing to argue/debate Toe2Toe against anyone, even if they’ve got 0-Backup.
And, that’s quite literally what occurred the Entirety of a Whole-Week, from Sunday to Saturday:
Sunday-Thursday, Gareth Bryant & Tālib Nathaniel went Head2Head about the “Abū-Hanīfah” Debate, while the Atharīs & Salafīs went Dead-Silent & bailed from the Discussion because Tālib Nathaniel had them that Shook. In fact, when Tālib Nathaniel said they’ve “20-Statements” proving that an-Nu`mān ibn-Thābit wasn’t Atharī: the Atharīs & the Salafīs literally fled from the `Aqīdah-Battlefield, like the Cowards they truly are.
This was how that played-out:
Tālib Nathaniel
“I’ve got 20-Statements proving Abū-Hanīfah wasn’t a Default-Atharī.”
Team-Atharī/Team-Salafī
“We out…dat Nigga Gareth Bryant got it!!!”
Gareth Bryant
“Where dem 20 @ Beloved?!!! Let’s get it!!!”
The Result:
As per usual…Gareth Bryant & Tālib Nathaniel walked it like we talked it, debated the Issue ferverently, came to Mutual-Conclusions, etc. It was yet Another-Stalemate, because we presented Religio-Historical Facts which we both respected & agreed upon.
Friday, Post-Jumu`ah, Gareth Bryant had a 30min-Argument/Debate @ a Masjid with one Hamzah `Abdillah Mujāhid: they really thought they were doing something. The Actual-Convo between Hamzah & Gareth: Hamzah was so eager to attempting “proving” me “Wrong”, but as with any/all other Ash`arīs: they failed to achieve their Goal. Ironically, as I didn’t know it then: Hamzah `Abdullah Mujāhid is actually the Student of the Ash`arī-Bozo Amīn Muhammad (Amīn Fanucci). Eager to attempt “defending” their Shaykh/Teacher: they literally parroted every single Ash`arī-Type Slander against Muslims whom’re Non-Ash`arīs. So, again…this being a 30min-Convo: it’s obvious that they weren’t going to “convince” me of anything.
The `Aqīdah-Truce Fail
https://gbwrites.com/2024/04/19/fakeshaykhsroundtable/
So, Hamzah `Abdullah Mujāhid then offered me an “`Aqīdah-Deal”. I said to myself: “This is Different!!!”. They offered to convince Amīn Muhammad to speak with me, about the Issues between Atharī Corleone & Amīn Fanucci. Very skeptical am I, I literally asked them did Amīn Muhammad tell them they wanted to speak with me. They said: “Yes”. So, reluctantly, I voluntarily forwarded my Number to Hamzah, to send to Amīn. They then told me they did so, and that Amīn would contact me. I equally told someone else whom knows Amīn well what occured. They also, in turn, stated they could get a Meeting between Gareth & Amīn going.
But, I mentioned Shurūt/Conditions in order that I even grant Amīn Muhammad an Audience with me:
Amīn Muhammad must admit that Ash`arīs pontificate/promote Unjust-Takfīr/Blasphemy against Fellow-Muslims whom’re Non-Ash`arīs. Amīn Muhammad then must make Public-Tawbah/Repentance, for personally accusing that Muslim Non-Ash`arīs are: Mujassims/Mujassids (Anthropomorphists), Mushriks/Shirkers, Kāfirs/Disbelievers, etc. because they believe and accept the Atharī-Positions that the Sifāt/Features of Allah are Zhāhir (Literal, Actual, Real, etc.).
Long-Story-Short: Amīn Muhammad could not be reached for Comment.
Now, to the Good-Part: exposing these Lame-Ass Atharīs
Before I get into that-I’m going to detail what precisely is al-Athariyyah/Atharism vs. al-Ash`ariyyah/Ash`arism, via the Context of the Principle-Concepts which Atharīs & Ash`arīs hold dear.
at-Tafwīdh
Meaning:
Neutrality
Context:
This is very specific to an Aspect of al-`Aqīdah/Islāmic-Theology, regarding the Sifāt/Features of Allah. The Maslahah/Purpose of at-Tafwīdh is to simply recognize/accept what is detailed about Allah, via at-Tanzīl/Revelation, without al-Kayfiyyah/at-Takyīf (Speculation). But, the Atharīs attempt to posture that they alone are the “Gatekeepers” of at-Tafwīdh.
at-Ta’wīl
Meaning:
Commentary/Interpretation
Context:
This is very specific to an Aspect of al-`Aqīdah/Islāmic-Theology, regarding the Sifāt/Features of Allah. The Maslahah/Purpose of at-Ta’wīl is to only comment on, interpret about Allah that which is Islāmically-Authorized to do. But, the Ash`arīs attempt to posture that they alone are the “Gatekeepers” of at-Ta’wīl.
So, when Gareth Bryant & Tālib Nathaniel first began our Religio-Academic Rivalry Journey: People were hating/envious out the Gate. I’ll explain precisely what I mean. When I initially began my Attack against Ash`arī-Style Takfīr-Culture (which I’ve previously authored about in detail), Team-Atharī didn’t take very kindly to Gareth Bryant whom doesn’t rep Atharī-Neighborhood voicing about what they deem as “Atharī-Business”.
Prior to Tālib Nathaniel & Gareth Bryant having our Religio-Academic Rivalry: the Atharī Golden-Boy Lavotte Saunders was supposed to actually debate Team-Ash`arī. And, this was highly anticipated as well as publicized for Several-Reasons:
1. Lavotte Saunders is highly respected (as they should be), as per their Religio-Academics.
2. They’re the “That-Guy” of Team-Atharī.
3. They’re an Ex-Ash`arī.
So, such a “Team-Atharī vs. Team-Ash`arī” Debate would’ve been quite the Sight2See. Allah (as usual being the Best-Of-Planners) didn’t allow the Debate to take place. In now comes Gareth Bryant vs. Tālib Nathaniel. I strategically released my “Tafwīdh vs. Ta’wīl” Article (AKA “The Haqqover”) during Ramadhān, 1445, A.H./March, 2024, C.E. It caught the Entirety of Team-Atharī, Team-Ash`arī, Team-Salafī, Team-Errybody, etc. completely Off-Guard. No one, except Tālib Nathaniel even knew that I was going to drop “The Haqqover”. So, when it did drop: Lots of Persons had Lots of Inquiries…particularly Team-Atharī. For the Atharīs, they’re like: “Who da Fuck is ‘Gareth Bryant’?!!!”, “Where da Fuck did ‘Gareth Bryant’ study @?!!!”, “Who da Fuck did ‘Gareth Bryant’ study with?!!!”, “Who da Fuck co-signed/co-signs ‘Gareth Bryant’?!!!”, etc. And, this is where the Atharī-Lies began.
Team-Atharī didn’t know this, but I was given 1st-Hand Info. that there were Certain-Atharīs (prolly all o dem Mothafuckas) whom slandered both Gareth Bryant & Lavotte Saunders. The Word on da Street was that “Gareth Bryant got ‘refuted’ via Lavotte Saunders”. Also, what Team-Atharī didn’t know was that Gareth Bryant & Lavotte Saunders are Cool. Lavotte Saunders was personally sent “The Haqqover”, because I wanted their Truthful/Honest-Feedback. They gave it…they respected/appreciated “The Haqqover”. And, once Word got-out that Gareth Bryant never got “refuted” via Lavotte Saunders: then the Atharī Imma`tiyyah/Dick-Riding started. Then, Gareth Bryant started getting Āthar/Reports that Team-Atharī wants me to “embrace them”, that Team-Atharī wants me to “pledge Bay`ah/Allegiance” to Team-Atharī, etc.
Respectfully…#FuckOuttaHere
Why would/should I join Ranks with those whom slandered me?!!! That’s Morally-Unintelligent, by default/definition.
The Atharī-Lies actually kept going for the Record
Taking Slanderous-Cues from Team-Ash`arī: Team-Atharī equally began accusing me falsely of being “Salafī” & having a “Salafī-`Aqīdah”.
There’s Several-Things though for the Record:
1. as-Salafiyyah/Salafism isn’t an “`Aqīdah/Theology”, rather it’s a Minhāj (Philosophy/Ideology).
2. I’m probably the Most Anti-Salafī Person Most-People will ever meet, know, etc.
3. I haven’t been Salafī since 1428, A.H./2007, C.E. And, even when I was a Salafī: I was still Clownin on Salafīs back then as well.
4. I’ve publicly authored, posted, spoken, etc. against as-Salafiyyah more than I’ve spoken against any other Hizb/Muslim-Sect.
So, how the Fuck am I “Salafī”?!!! Make that Goofy-Shit make Sense.
The Atharī-Attempts to dismiss my Atharī-Academia
Because of the Atharī-Style Lies-On-Lies, against Gareth Bryant: they’ve used these Same-Lies as Pseudo-Justifications to attempt deflecting/gaslighting the Validity of my Religio-Academia. This, of course, is because Gareth Bryant didn’t become a Religio-Academic via the so-called mysterious “Atharī-Curriculum”. The “Atharī-Curriculum” apparently is supposed to be some Type/Sort of “Kung-Fu Scroll” of al-Athariyyah/Atharism, which Good-Lil Atharī Frat-Boys convene @ the Atharī Frat-Houses to learn from. It’s supposed to be the Atharī-Version of the “Holy-Grail”, “Sword in the Stone”, etc. or some other Corny/Sucka-Shit.
#UnpopularFact
Gareth Bryant had Team-Ash`arī so Shook,
to the Point where no one (literally no one) had the Basālah/Balls to contest anything I wrote, except my Sibling of the Pen:
Tālib Nathaniel
I literally saved Team-Atharī, as well as Team-Salafī, from Team-Ash`arī literally packin dem Niggas up. Team-Ash`arī was melting Atharī&Salafī-Niggas. Allah empowered Gareth Bryant to set the Tone against Team-Ash`arī:
Not you Bitch-Ass Atharī-Niggas…not you Bitch-Ass Salafī-Niggas…Ungrateful-Niggas
The Asbāb/Reasons Team-Atharī has done this against Gareth Bryant
I exposed them (for slandering me: claiming that Lavotte Saunders “refuted” me). I refused to give al-Bay`ah/Allegiance
to Team-Atharī. I showed-up&showed-out, as per doing to Team-Ash`arī what Team-Atharī couldn’t do. I’m not an Imma`ah (Groupie/Dick-Rider). I refuse to make my Work/Labor a Team-Atharī “Flex”. It’s because I refuse to make myself an Atharī Frat-Boy. It’s because I refuse to be subservient. It’s because I refuse to take Marching-Orders.
To Team-Atharī
Where was all of this “Energy”, when y’all fled the `Aqīdah-Battlefield, when my Sibling of the Pen: Tālib Nathaniel was about to Mop you Niggas?!!! The “Atharī-Curriculum”, when Tālib was about to Crush Team-Atharī & Team-Salafī, was powerless. Who was the Only Person standing against Tālib Nathaniel, to defend Atharism against Ash`arism?!!! Gareth Bryant, that’s who: Gareth Bryant saved you Ungrateful-Niggas yet again…like I’ve done Countless-Times.
These Atharī Frat-Boys literally Tucked-Tail and ran rite off da `Aqīdah-Battlefield. There’s 0-Way that I’d dare “pledge” to the Atharī-Frat. This is precisely how/why Gareth Bryant is only Pro-Atharism. There’s 0-Way I’d ever embrace you Deceitful, Untruthful, Dishonest, Slanderous, Cowardly, Scary-Ass, Cut-Throat Ass, Ungrateful-Niggas.
So, since these Bum-Ass Atharīs want to slander me, Gareth Bryant is going to treat you just like I regularly treat the Ash`Arīs, Salafīs, any Hizb for That-Matter: I hate all of you Sectarian Sons-Of-Bitches equally. All of you Niggas are the Opps. I wrote what I wrote, when I wrote it, how I wrote it, why I wrote, because I wanted to write. And, realistically, there’s nothing any of you can do about it. You’re not on my Religio-Academic Level.
Let me make this very clear
Gareth Bryant is neither impressed, nor intimidated, by any of these Ahzāb/Sectarian-Gangs amongst the Muslims. You can’t Religio-Academically “bully” Gareth Bryant. This-Message is particularly/especially for Team-Atharī & Team-Salafī. I stand my Ground. My Written-Work, my Articles, etc. speak for themselves. And, if anyone of has a “Problem” with anything I’ve written: then write something better…I dare you. Matter-Of-Fact: don’t even waste your Time. You can’t, because Most of you Niggas: aren’t More-Intelligent than I am, don’t know more than I do, can’t read/write better than I can, etc. Team-Atharī played “Fuck-Around&Find-Out” with the Wrong-Nigga. They should’ve left me alone.
Gareth Bryant
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